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Why I started a 5am club for creators & indie hackers, & what I learned after hitting 110 members

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Imagine being feeling helpless on how to be a parent to a baby, being sleep deprived, having little cognitive capacity for work (even less for indie projects), and stressed about a pandemic unfolding outside of your front door.

That's the situation I was last year. I knew I had to do something to solve the sleep deprivation issue, since everything else—parenting, work, managing a crisis—pivots on me having enough energy and capacity. But I don't know how to sleep better. I knew I had a window of undisturbed time from 5-8am (while mom + baby were asleep) that I can have for deep work on my projects, but I was a night owl all my life, and didn't know how to switch chronotypes to early birdie. Most of all, I wasn't sure I could do this alone.

That's how I came to starting a 5am club for fellow creators and indie hackers, to learn about sleep biohacking and early morning productivity hacks.

The 5am club is actually a chat group on Telegram—now 110 members—where we chat async about:

🛌 Sleep biohacking
🔥 Early AM productivity tips
🤝 Public accountability
🙌 Mutual encouragement
🏗 Build in public at 5am

Members can:
⏰ Post wake times here daily for public accountability and mutual encouragement
ℹ️ Ask questions about sleep hacks
👥 Pair up to be accountability buddies if they live in same timezone, etc

Set a new goal by starting a chat group

What began unintentionally as just a way to socialize with others around a topic is becoming a habit hack—an intentional intervention—to ensure accountability, learn from others, and to grow collectively.

I had always thought that setting a goal is a personal affair, and an individual's struggle. But the concept of a community banding around a common goal that everyone is individually gunning for, is novel for me. It's not me running alone in a race of one, but a group running together as their own races of one converge and run in parallel for a period of time.

A goal that is social, not just personal. Socially personal.

Some benefits I learned about after setting up the 5am club:

  • Social/Public accountability – starting a chat group is a forcing function against stagnation, for me to keep reading and learning new stuff, so that I can share them in the group. It's also a way to post my streaks, like my wake times in my 5am club. Accountability for compounding. I really enjoyed the social aspect of pursuing my goal of 5am and sleep biohacking, and this group is the key pillar to the joy.
  • Learning from others – There were so many occasions where I learned new and interesting things I would have never learned had I not been part of the group. For example, learning from someone who tried polyphasic sleep in my 5am club group. I would have never tried it myself, so being able to hear his experience had been insightful and interesting. Seeing what sleep tracking tools others were using had also been helpful.
  • Collective growth – It's also heartening to witness how the floor gets raised when everyone learns together. You see someone posting their wake time once, twice, and by the third time, you might feel inspired to finally take the plunge. The multiplier effect of collective learning and mutual support/inspiration are so underrated.

Tangential learnings for an indie hacker in community-driven product development

The experience of collective learning is was what I initially loved about this project. But there's another one, a more meta aspect which I love just as much: it's a great learning opportunity on community-driven product development.

I started the group chat not thinking about a product, but just as a way to learn collectively about sleep. But in the back of my mind, I always knew the possibility of building something for it in the future. So this is my own way of learning by doing, for community-driven products. I'm slowly getting a better sense of the common challenges we face when starting out as beginners in sleep biohacking and 5am mornings. A low hanging fruit to address that is through a short ebook/email course for beginners on quick actionable tips to get started on sleep biohacking. Info products are always easy to start with.

What I found challenging about the project

Engagement. And patience. Thankfully it seemed to have reached a threshold at 100 where more members are active, posting their wake times, and chatting about sleep. From 0 to 70, it felt like messaging into the void. I was probably the one who's active on the chat.

There's this 90-9-1 rule about online communities called the Rule of Participation Inequality:

  • 90% are consumers/lurkers who only read, observe but don't create or contribute anything.
  • 9% are contributors who reply/comment on content others created.
  • 1% are creators, the most active members of the community who create, contribute and consume.

So following that rule, it probably takes 100 and beyond to start having a handful of contributors and creators in the community! It really does take patience for the community and engagement to grow.

What my hopes are looking ahead

The funny thing about sleep biohacking is, it's an infinite game. You're never done, or can ever be done done. So there's always something to work on, some new or old lesson to learn and share. So likewise, I'm not sure there's a endgame here for the community. It can keep going and growing. People will come and go, but everyone still needs to sleep, everyone can benefit from sleeping better, so there's always a need for it.

So how's your sleep recently?

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    Joining as soon as I can.
    I've made a group on Telegram too called Maker Dads. because I too was sick of not being able to socialize with other indiehacker dads directly about being a dad. async all the way.

    can't be bothered to do video calls. don't have time or patience anymore

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      Coool, glad to see you here and also in Telegram Andrew!

      Is the Maker Dads groups still open for joining? Sounds cool! Would love to join`

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    Howdy Jason, just joined the 5am club 🤠 - I typically rise at that hour but don't usually turn on my devices for a few hours later as I'm most productive working analog in the mornings. I'll check it out and hope to add some value to the group.

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    Very cool. How do you deal with different timezones?

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      Oh it's an async club. So you just post as and when you wake up. There's a possibility of pairing with with others in the same timezone though..

  4. 2

    Love this. Robin Sharma vibes.

    1. 1

      Somehow had yet to get into that book! Got to do that now, keep getting reminded

  5. 2

    Great idea. Looking forward to hang out more with some other indie parents

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    Really great idea, thanks for posting and inviting the IH community! I love the idea of at least having some place to go, as a parent who is indie hacking, for that daily accountability and encouragement. I usually spend 1/2 hour each morning, before the family wakes up, to plan out my activities for the day. I'm always doing it solo though.

    I'm not on telegram yet. Will install today and request access. Thanks again!

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      Cool, see you there Kurt. Yeah I did it alone at the start but it's been fun since starting the 5am club!

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    Working my way to 5am. Currently at 5:30, but feel like that extra half hour would come in handy.

    Three things have made this habit more streamlined:

    • Philips Light alarm clock (I hate waking up in the dark).
    • Alarmy alarm clock (every morning, I have to scan a barcode I put in my car to shut the alarm off).
    • Reading for half an hour before I go to bed (nothing puts me to sleep like Dostoyevsky).
    1. 1

      Oh yeah, daylight alarm works. I use it myself.

      That hack to have to walk to your car is brilliant haha! No way you can't wake up from that

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    I like the idea! Just joined the telegram and going to challenge myself waking up 5am from tomorrow

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      Oh cool! See you there, Yuri! 💪

  9. 1

    Hi Jason, what a wonderful idea to start the 5am building public club. Is the group still active? I'd be very happy to join.

    What would you say is the number one piece of advice for a new parent (9-5) and still wants to ship the little side projects? I believe consistency and having a motivating peer group (accountability buddies) are key.

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      Hey Flavio, yes still active!

      Join here - https://t.me/+H2CTlwe5Bco2MmQ1

      For me, I turned new parent 2 years ago too, and that's what motivated me to change chronotype to wake at 5am to work on my projects. Having that block on undisturbed deep work time is so precious. I think turning dad got me more focused and knowing my priorities. In past I would slack off more

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    That's fantastic, I didn't know such things were possible! I hear a lot about building communities these days, but I have no idea how. I mean, how do you find the people that have the same problem? The usual advice is "ask yourself where your clients hang out", but it means that they already have a community.

    How did you manage to get your first users? Did you just post your channel's name somewhere and wait till they show up?

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      Oh my first users were just Twitter followers who were interested in waking early. I posted my wake times on Twitter every day for personal public accountability, and over 1-2 years it helped the group grow (slowly)

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    Hi @jasonleow, great idea for early morning sessions. And using accountabilty buddies is a great move to stick to it. What’s your experience with the level of productivity? After all, our brains need at least 20-30mins to be fully ready neuroscience tells us, by 5h30 our newborn might wake us already..

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      Thankfully I get about 2-3h of deep work before my kids wakes, so it's good productivity!

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