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What I learned about interviewing from 15 customer development interviews

I recently interviewed 15+ people to learn about how they do high-level project management (I wrote about the actual learnings on the Building Burndown blog).

I’ve done a lot of customer development interviews in the past, but never frequently enough to feel like I’m good at the interviews. Every round results in new learnings and improvements.

Here's what I learned about interviewing this time around:

Have a template; update it after each interview

I made a list of assumptions, and then used The Ultimate List of Customer Development Questions to create a list of questions that would hopefully validate or invalidate my assumptions.

My big takeaway was religiously updating the template after every interview. Previously, I liked to keep the interviews sort of the same because it made comparisons easier. Nope. Doing it after every single interview maximizes the learnings and assumptions validated/invalidated.

For example, I added a series of questions to my Burndown interview template on how and why project managers do estimation. I also started asking about how quickly they know a project is behind schedule (the answer is typically "really soon, because all our projects are behind" or "right before it's due").

Sometimes I take the edits back out if the new line of questioning isn’t useful, but most of the time I’m iterating my way towards deeper learnings.

Don't ask for advice

Everyone loves giving advice, right? Why not just ask for it? Asking for advice in an email resulted in instant offers for paid consulting and scolding me for wasting their time.

Instead, I’m more upfront about the nature of the conversation. I call it an interview. If it’s on a topic they’re interested in or pain point they’re feeling, they’ll agree to spending time with me.

Ask what they like and don’t like

I learned this trick from my wife (who learned it from the management transition book, The First 90 Days). Don’t ask people what’s important to them. The question is too open-ended and loaded. Instead, just ask what they like or dislike about XYZ. That will naturally tell you what is important to them.

Ask if they’re the decision-maker

While a fairly obvious question within a sales cycle, it’s a new question to my customer development repertoire. Especially within large organizations and B2B tools, it’s common for the purchasing decision-maker to be different from the end-user. For example, in our other product, the DocRaptor HTML-to-PDF API, developers care about our documentation quality and having libraries in their programming languages. But the CTOs making the decisions care about our SOC2 and HIPAA compliance.

Frequently share internally

I used to do a round of interviews, look for commonalities, and then share with the rest of the team. Now, I share the raw interview notes more frequently, especially in the early stages where I’m less confident in my takeaways. It’s noisier, but people have different perspectives and see things I missed. Additionally, our CTO shared that he really enjoys the interview updates and they make him feel more engaged in the customer research process.

At a minimum, share each interview with at least two other people. If you’re a solo founder, find a buddy (I’m happy to help, hit me up).

Those are my notes from this round. Let me know what you think or if you have other customer research interview tricks!

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    Thanks for sharing these insights and that link to the ultimate questions list. First time I’ve seen that one, and it’s pretty helpful!

    Not sure how you’re conducting your interviews, is that face-to-face or via video calls?

    I’m helpful thing I always used to try to find communalities in between answers is to write the answers downs on post-it’s. With only one answer per post-it, mostly written down in some hieroglyph kind of written (I write not that often with pen and paper anymore so my handwriting is a little bit stiff).

    But then after you’ve conducted a couple of interviews in a row, if you put all the post-it’s on a wall or a window, you can easily spot answers that are kind of the same and group them together.

    Hopes this helps and best of luck “talking to people”! 💪

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      Good strategy. Thanks for sharing!

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    Hi James,
    I love your inside about sharing frequently and even the rough interview notes.

    As CEO I like to read through customer interviews because it's much faster than to have to listen to a full interview. That's why I encourage everyone to run the interview through a transcription service (like Otter) to get the real language used in the interview.

    Those words are GOLD for marketing!

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      Great idea. Moving forward, I plan to internally each interview as:

      • My summary
      • My notes
      • Video recording
      • Video transcript
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      Yes, we find that our customers' content is gold, even their facial expressions and conversations hold some gems, that's why we love otter and airgram.io (a tool to record video or audio of conference calls). Agenda is pretty sweet

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    Hey James - this is some awesome learnings thanks!

    Just a question - how do you find/contact/reach out to the customers? Are these existing customers or people in your network, or are they new connections you have to make?

    I am looking to explore a start-up idea I have - its around recycling but I have no contacts in the industry so having to reach out cold to potential customers. Not sure if you have any tips there?!

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      Might be worth taking a look at TestingTime or Stickybeak, I've used both previously. Both seemed reasonably cost-effective (startup budget friendly).

      Stickybeak is interesting because it uses FB/Insta to serve ads to recruit people based on your criteria. The challenge is that it uses a chatbot interface, limiting some of the options you have in terms of questions, etc.

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        Awesome. Thanks for the recommendation, James!

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          Pleasure - I've got a host of others I've been keeping an eye on which can share if you'd like. Also some tools for interview transcription/video highlights etc

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            I'd love to hear more about all the above. What else can you share? I just signed up for https://www.airgram.io for transcription, but haven't explored any other tools.

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              Hey James, airgram looks interesting - nice reuse of a meeting tool for interview insights.

              Here are some others that I've been exploring:
              Pollfish
              PingPong
              Great Question
              Marvin
              Reduct Video
              Dovetail
              Sprig

              Have a fair few more - too many tools and not enough time to explore them all!

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      It's super hard. I've tried a lot of different things from cold email and Twitter DMs to meetup groups. My best source so far has been UserInterviews.com. It costs a lot of money (in early stage startup dollars), but it saves a lot of time. Time-to-knowledge is the most important thing to me. UserInterviews can do both B2C and B2B interviews with screening options. Not every interview is worthwhile, but 80% of them have been. The 20% are just me doing a bad job screening out people with roles not compatible with my problem.

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    I have done more than 200 interviews in my current B2C project. And I realized that it is a good practice to offer a deal after an interview.

    People can give inoffensive answers because they don't want to upset you. But it's dangerous because you don't get the real picture and won't change your product or strategy.

    In this case you can offer them to buy your product you mentioned. And if they don't see any value they will reject and you can continue your interview ask them "Why?", "What should you add to the deal?", "What are the conditions you need to offer?" – these answers often give much more information about their motives.

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      Fantastic suggestion! At this point, I'm doing problem-validation interviews than product-validation, but I'll definitely use this technique in the future!

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    Hi James, thanks for sharing. Consider pre-selling access to your product at the end of these interviews. You can draw 3 screenshots of your future thing, ask for feedback at the end of the call, and then offer them a good deal in case they like it. I closed 20 pre-sales for my SaaS such way and often help other founders do the same, just drop me a DM on Twitter.

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      20 pre-sales is great! I consider pre-sales to be the #1 indicator of product-validation. I'm currently just at the problem-validation stage of our research, but I'll definitely remember this tactic. Offering a "deal" can be a lot less aggressive than trying a surprise sale.

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    I noticed in the Ultimate List you linked that there are several questions that use the word "important". Am I understanding correctly that you would re-word those questions around like/dislike?

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      Good question! I would probably not reword those questions. They seem pretty specific and I'm not against the word "important", merely the question "What's important about XYZ?"

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